I personally think this would be fantastic. It would actually give function to something that's been so far only aesthetic in eve. The avatars. The extension of the economy into new areas would be awesome. But I think they should just wait to do this till after the complete the core gameplay changes. Like pos and sov and the ship rebalancing. But after that! Then holy crap could this be great!

Here is some logic for you: When CCP added WiS to the game they lost a ton of subscribers. When they apologized and promised to focus on spaceships again they stopped losing subscribers. When they actually did what they promised to do subscriptions have risen every quarter since Incarna.

No, people canceled because Eve was ignored for two years and all we had to show for it was a room with a couch and a laughably bad microtransaction store. Why do you want CCP to ignore Eve again?

Yea, looks really cool... this game will just bleed immersion!

2+º thought: seeing the backlash of the SOMER Ishukone Scorpions giveaway, probably they should had settled it with some NEx items rather than rare ships.

HAHAHAHA.

Oh my God. I don't think I have ever seen anyone burnt so bad. That's like, full thickness 90% burned. Someone put Vaju on palliative support. You don't survive a burn like that. Ouch.

But, but... we got a painted-on cybernetic arm! (for a mere 150 Gé¼/$).

Well, here are the words of another bitter carebear.

I once started playing EVE because it reminded me somewhat of Elite II: Frontier and Privateer games which I used to miss school for. The "unforgiving and harsh nature", "Nigeria online", "tear harvesting" etc. aspects of EVE were okay as I found my little corner in the sandbox and a few people that more or less supported my bubble of suspended disbelief and kept playing and even PvPing, on and off.

But post-Incarna (as epic fail as it was. No, really, Incarna was beyond epic fail. It was a ******** **** **** of whale-like proportions) the bitter reality had to settle in.

1. CCP, no doubt, considers the existence of the thousand-account nullsec alliances as the epitome of the social function of their game and the subscribers of those accounts as the core player base of EVE.

2. The "content" generated by players in the sandbox (which basically has minimal differences with your average high school yard with some street gang flavour thrown in, complete with ASCII phalluses in local and Jita chat) is of primary value.

3. Whatever NPC content there is serves three basic functions: A. Tutorial. B. Farming ISK. C. Providing barebones framework for the "sandbox" of EVE.

This is The Vision of CCP, and it won't change. Whatever changes will be enacted by the CCP after Incarna fiasco will be aimed to reinforce this vision and, where possible, reaffirm loyalty of the (perceived) core customer base. The Rubicon expansion just underlines this once more.

-Éfter SC and Elite IV hit (I backed both), EVE will be Goonswarm Spreadsheets online, and it will drag on (for quite a few years - Ultima and Everquest are still alive in some form!) and slowly die as such.

As for me, I applaud CCP for all they have done, and I've paid them enough subscription money to reward their effort.

But as soon as I could return to the cockpit of my Eagle among the pinkish ice fields of Ross 154 with Aster rising over the horizon and Sirocco Station domes a few miles away, days of EVE for me will be over.

And no, no forum warrior will ever have my stuff. I'd rather contract it all to my alliance; they are mostly good guys/gals and there should be more like them.

It's easy to get it back to rails. Just look at my avatar; this coat is the best CCP has done for me this year. Now if i just could match it with some stockings developed with the same paint-on technique as sleeve tattoos and the cybernetic arm... I would like to get very dark green stockings with a thin golden seam line on the back...

(But i am aware that such change would make life unbearable to all the HTFU utlra-l33t pivipirs)

Camera....navi....the most being done recently is switching database code to re balance ships. Literally changing numbers. I work with clinical databases and can confirm this is no small, simple task, sure but...to focus 70-80% on that is just inefficient.

Agreed 100%.

Yup... I mean, sure, then again, most companies these days do that... I just didn't expect CCP to do it.

I don't agree.

A trailer is something that gets you excited, it gives you a feeling of what the final product will be, it's not just an ad.

Well, for some reason, CCP used to sell the product, like this:

Player acting, player footage, player music. This is EVE Online!

And then they just started selling... something else.

Wadafak, modafaka? Are you on crack?

I dare you to find 10... no, 5 similarities between that trailer above and the actual game.

And it hasn't improved much. New players are now fed with a intro video displaying the pod as a cockpit... and i bet you that Rubicon trailer will have less than 50% actual ingame content to it, beauty shots of ships & stuff included.

I never believed a gaming company can be so out of touch with its playerbase but maybe this is what the playerbase wants, I always believed it's the companies that attract a certain type of gamers and I was right, for CCP to attract the villains and cutthroats and scammers they have to have the same disgusting personality irl (out of touch, ignore everything, lie and hide etc.) yes this whole mentality especially coming from the company is pretty annoying I can understand it in game but ffs you're devs, anyway star citizen is looking better everyday to me if it's not pay 2 win hopefully, can't wait to fly a 300i, going back to MUD games till then, where I can actually do whatever I want.

Instead of providing for the entire player base they provide for some and the rest are just cannon fodder.

That's the craziest part of it. They're screwing us with our money.

FAi, I just found out that they're going to "fleetissuize" the Orca. "Fleetissuize" refers to how the Hurricane was nerfed to oblivion, and two patches later was reborn as the Hurricane Fleet Issue -roughly the same old Cane, but four times more expensive.

Guess what? With Rubicon, the Orca warp speed has been nerfed to 2.0 AU/s vs 2.7 AU/s, but, hey! the new Ghost Sites will provide a low grade Ascendancy set with a 40%~ish bonus to warp speed, so you can get your old warp speed by buying the whole set of low grade Ascendancy implants!

Enjoy your fleetissuizement! And pay for it!

The nicest touch is that the new warp speeds are going to make much worse one of EVE's worst issues: long and boring travel times.

And that poses for good development.

Just get three Hyperspatial Velocity II rigs and it will go 3.91AU/s without implants.

I don't mind the new changes, after all my Viator is almost teleporting between the gates now and the Orca is pretty nimble as well on SiSi.

The battleships will still be faster for short warps and if you intend to go on a 200j roam in one of them you are doing it wrong.



To get the thread back on track agan, the new character selector screen is a missed oprotunity to show off the characters in their full 3D glory.

Ho, ho, ho, it's santa with new trailer for winter.

Look at the avatar stuff they serve, together with scenic view of the city. Now that I call cinematic trailer.

For fu's sake, they're displaying PODs as glorified cockpits again... There go 10 years of lore, it turns that a neural interface it's too hard to depict on film so let's just scrap everything we used to say, bo-hoo.

By the way, guess who released a launch trailer too? One with actual ingame scenes and content?

I always assumed the entire glorified cockpit thing was just a mental representation, that they are probably in their pod but that this is how they mentally 'see' themselves while plugged in.

Then again, maybe I just have to much imagination.

Managed to get down to the Pod to take a couple screenshots

https://twitter.com/Flamespar/status/402985316828459008/photo/1

I quite like the detail on the side of it

Feel free to follow me on twitter if you like
#openthedoor

Yes, there are many things left (even they were working on a racial blending thing), but the point is that hey're designing T-shirts even on the spot. Probably this means that there's one guy who's made the template to add decals on T-shirt textures, but nonetheless, CCP is giivng value to this stuff. "Donate, get virtual T-shirt" implies that avatar clothing is valuable -for vanity.

And vanity is meaningful in itself. It haves a standalone value without gameplay.

Is this sarcasm? It's in the first post of this thread.


A majority of those unreleased items are just color variations of the pants and shirts already available.

That's well put but I bet it'll just get lost in the drivel about how CCP is bad for not developing WiS and working on spaceships instead. Gamedev is kind of like pimpin' - it ain' easy.

Second Life already exists.

CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:

I think you've got it backwards, CCP is going my way.

Oh look, another diarrhea post from the pedo that's a member of the two digit iq club.

Add to that boardroom ability to conjure up the map for all to see as well as highlighting systems (drawing lines, et cetera). Also there could be option to display various stats, corporate hangar inventory and so on and so forth. Stuff that might be of use during meetings - and outside meetings too.

Survived yes, but not ren much past the 40k mark. New subs are just equaling people leaving. That's not really a good thing.

Posting in what appears to be the longest EVE is Dying thread ever.

Here's to another ten years of dying.

Here again is the issue I spotted when I skimmed the last few pages of this thread. "Both communities". "Twin approach". The style of the talk is that of bringing in a whole new seperate group of players to EVE (I think I saw someone saying something like "two niches is better than one"?). I remember when that used to be a caricature of WiS that the anti-WiS crowd used to make it sound bad; that it would just be barbies-in-space for people who couldn't hack EVE itself.

WiS used to be about adding to the substance of the game for the existing players, and maybe attracting new people who would initially come for the avatar content, but would stay for the spaceships. And while I'm sure you'll say that that hasn't changed, people are now talking about WiS as a new revenue stream for EVE, in the same way that DUST and WoD are (supposed to be) for CCP.

EVE has plateaued because CCP have directed their efforts to other games, and what I am seeing is the suggestion that they should (or even need to) direct even more of their efforts away from EVE and into another game, but this time we'll build it into the client and call it part of EVE to make the sub numbers get bigger without actually solving the 'problem' of EVE's plateau.

What is the idea that EVE needs a new game built into it for a new playerbase in order to survive if not the idea that EVE, the spaceship game, is dying?

As well as you'd know better as the large majority of people talking in this thread is, in a way or another, firmly committed that WiS makes sense only integrated with EVE main gameplay. As well as CCP OP.

I wasn't aware that you had access to data on their marketing expense ;)

But look back on you data, Eve is a very successful niche game.

So far no other game has come close and it doesn't look like any of the upcoming games are even trying.

Except that it's not useful for anything more than a barely mobile avatar in a single room.

Now, instead of the regular Sims in space or that stuff can you present any valid addition to game play that could be added using the current state of code or a minor tweak?

All this time post incarna and one single solid idea has been posted, and it was shot down by CCP.

CCP =/= EVE

Which is why they have those other games.

EvE is a niche game, it doesn't mean that any other game from CCP will be, or in the same niche.

EvE is a pvp game. Deal with it.

EvE is also a commercial enterprise by a small indie studio.

How can it not?

Any idea about how to advance anything in EvE comes down to a very solid fact.

That EvE is a commercial enterprise by a small indie studio.

Anything we want or anything the devs want or any thing their management want comes down to that.

So while I agree that eve is a very much living work of science fiction, and one that I very much enjoy being a tiny part of, I refuse to ignore that it's also a commercial enterprise.

Well, I know this isn't even a point worthy of consideration for most people, but unless you want to bin 10 years of backstory, it's because we die outside of our pods for real. We cannot use the DUST implants, the technology is inherently incompatible with capsuleer implants. CCP's story team has stated this numerous times on the fiction forum.

If you want more danger, just undock more often.

Again, I'm just full of crazy ideas here, but just maybe, EVE needs at least one safe haven, instead of one haven less. Preferably with something to do while waiting, be it minigames, "some stupid boardroom" where to plan travel routes or follow what other corpmates or even corporations are doing. Hell - finding drugs or other things to smuggle. One of the original plans for WIS I faintly recall hearing was to give smuggling and other crime as a profession a new life - stuff you "needed to do off the radar."

Star Trek Online had 1 million subscribers (to a game people could actually play and had more than a hanger). it was supposed to be the end of EVE. SWTOR had more than that. Black prophecy never had that many but the hype was that it was supposed ot have killed EVE because at one point more people were playing it than EVE.

I remember the story of a feather weight boxer who won the world championship like 3 times and had a very good record but the sports reporters didn't think much of him. He famously asked "who do i have to kill to get some respect".

EVE has survived challeges to it's supremacy every year for 10 years. How many EVE killers does EVE have to survive to get some respect???

SC is promising to be a complete space based sci-fi simulator. I'm pretty sure there is only the one genre they are claiming to be.

Also, they are well beyond screenshots, but I am sure you are well aware of this as there are plenty of goons already active in SC.

The harsh and unforgiving nature of EVE has **** all to do with Goons, champ. It's the format and the freedom players have to genuinely cripple one another structurally, logistically, militarily and financially, and that was all in place long before anyone heard of or gave two ***** about Goonswarm Federation.

And so far, SC is a pile of concept art, videos of staff who have all the depth and charm of a lead pipe, and a Star Conflict style shooter. #HYPE is such a sad an unfulfilling world to live in.

We are Star Trek pooping rainbows compared to just 200 years ago. In some ways, our world is a nightmare unthinkable to the people then. In some other ways, we are beyond the wildest dreams of the people then.

And you and me and your neighbour are terribly fortunate to have been born now and here.

Morale: the future is never what you think of it... and EVE is just a game.

It was announced by Braben one year ago, but that is stuff to make in future expansions, not in the release package. Same with planetary flight, and landing on planets. But whole game is made with respect to those functionalities.

Apparently they think that the policy that "sees emergent gameplay where other companies see griefing" makes them immune to said competition.

I think that we all should read what the CSM minutes have to say about avatar content.

Exactly, the word 'avatar' is not mentioned not even once in the whole minutes.

Admittedly, there is a slim chance (if you like playing lotteries by hoping to find a winner ticket on the pavement) that the heavily NDA'ed Project 2 or Project 3 are related to avatars, but I doubt it.

not meant as troll, but what is this 164 page thread about?

There are few cool games coming up such as Star Citizen, which in my opinion is going to be a copy of EVE online + Dust. It is thought that the SC boys have extraordinary brain matter to fit the whole into one game and onto the same platform.

So my thoughts go to those fantastic developers of EVE online... will they be instructed to start working again on EVE online to seriously expand the game and add content or will they keep rebalancing things until SC takes over the whole market share?

Funny thing, interpretation - it seems CCP meant "Jesus Feature" as something along the lines of a feature that's meant to redeem everything and be important enough to neglect core aspects of the game in favour of it. Which was what sparked the riots of Incarna - it wasn't the fact WiS is a bad idea, it was the fact CCP neglected old issues in favour of a shoddily implemented, hardware-melting pointless feature.

Of course, such is the fate of definitions not set in stone - they are prone to being wrapped the way most fitting one's point of view. Meh, c'est la vie.

Funny thing, interpretation - it seems CCP meant "Jesus Feature" as something along the lines of a feature that's meant to redeem everything and be important enough to neglect core aspects of the game in favour of it. Which was what sparked the riots of Incarna - it wasn't the fact WiS is a bad idea, it was the fact CCP invested all of the time energy and cash in Dust and WOD development whilst using the same development resources to create a shoddily implemented, hardware-melting starter feature that has yet to have any further development due to the angry fallout over the 'Greed is Good' memo and the Nex Store.

Of course, such is the fate of definitions not set in stone - they are prone to being wrapped the way most fitting one's point of view. Meh, That's Life!.

Actual new, 100% inexpert players are becoming more of a rare sight than a generation thing. And the plans to change that are nebulous at best.

But anyway, whatever happens to EVE it's not in our hands. We are mere bystanders, for as much as we care, it's not our business nor our way to earn a living.

I personally will be taking a break when my PLEX expires tomorrow; have been playing the game for like 9 months since I returned from my previous break and it's been enough for now. As I said a few times, one can only bang her head on a door that many times...

I agree with the sentiment completely, except I would make a small amendment. I wouldn't cut their current Eve resources in half, I would reallocate all the Valkyrie team back to Eve and get that proportion of development working on Avatar content. They're running too many projects. Go back to working on Valkyrie after some of the others are pulling in an income. Dust and WoD are a long way from holding their own weight.

I noticed that but didnt want to get my hopes up. We will see what happens.

Wish they would just release this stuff already. Wouldnt be giving star citizen a 2nd thought if we could just open the door.

Dust514 seems to have improved lately. Don't know if it's enough for it to profitable, but there has definitely been some small improvement.

The reason why I think Dust players will be walking in derelicts before us is because most of the technology is already in game. Just add PVE and some new levels.

It would annoy me greatly if it happened though. As it would be another broken promise as far as I'm concerned.

So your argument is that the horrible DUST avatar gameplay or the non-existant WoD avatar gameplay would translate perfectly to Eve? Or is it that CCP should spend another two years ignoring Eve to come up with a whole new framework?

Crucible, Inferno, Retribution, Odyssey and Rubicon are the best expansions of EvE Online, the game is in better shape than ever before.

Well, Apocrypha was a 3 months cycle expansion. But yes, it's hard, effort is required and "true" expansions.
What I say is that can be splitted over time, don't have to be all together. When people talk about the "social" part of WiS, bars, cambling games and so on, is simply because this is the more easy and imemdiate possible application. A good base to start with.

Then there's an industry/market integration related to the WiS items and modules (I mean not only avatar customization items here, but also everything related to WiS establishments building, set up and maintainence. And this is already a good intergation level with the EVE core mechanics.

The AVA structures exploration prototype described by the CCP OP here could be a relevant PVE implementation (and this another area of EVE in need of strong attention). But then the same tools used for this can be extended to add PVP oriented AVA gameplay like infiltrating FW outposts or sabotage against POS.

So here we have a new gameplay layer added to social, industry, market, PvE, PvP. That are all the major areas of EVE.

I know is hard, yes it requires CCP to re-focus on EVE instead of external problem. And I don't see this happening. I think the trend is a progressive nerf and downgrade from sandbox MMORPG down to games like Star Conflict, WoT and such.

Without me checking 170 pages (a quick search didn't show hits), but if we leave our ship/pod to go EVA - and this is just from a technical point of view of course, as EVE is just a game - we are no longer attached to the little device that fries our brain and uploads us to get put in a clone, so would not death while doing an EVA mission mean perma death?

How is that handled in the mechanics/lore/etc?

I don't think so. Will be some announcement as "Dust finnally on PC" or something related to Valkyrie, or some new amazing game for iPad only. Anyway nothing relevant for EVE.

They wouldn't waste the WiS potential hype not announcing long before.

It's always a surprise what promises CCP decides to keep and which ones it's hopes we forget.

Now please excuse me whilst I go enjoy my modular POS after doing some ring mining with the new direct X 11 effects, I think I may even drop by the 10 year vet station to catch up with mates in a player establishment and play with some custom paint jobs for my ship.

Oh wait...

But at least we got a monument .. right ... right?

Yeah, that would have taken hundreds of man-hours away from important WiS development.

And what kind of features and game mechanics do "we" want exactly?

Good, your post should be stickyed or something.

Few more questions:

Are we talking about CQ customisable: like this couch should be here or there or POS/POCOS customisable: like layout of security floors, production floors, storage floors etc.?
What is AVA?
By saying "fully part of the EVE production system" you mean craftable and destructible?


Yes, but I was asking about WiS related things only.
And actually we had this "mining based on large roids of mixed ores that you have to scan down" before Odyssey happened.

Interestingly though, on the far other end, DUST mercenaries see their clones as mere tools, rather than as themselves. Incarna design EVE side heavily personalizes your clone, to the level that you won't see your clone as just a tool. Which... it is.

But CCP was already working on that before the summer rage. At least from 2009, and if I remember correctly they were already working on WoD. CCP started to divert reources from EVE to other external projects just after Apocrhypa, in their highest peak.

The summer rage itself was nothing special, just only a big arranged forum flame as happens periodically. Ant there was everything in it: people against the NEX store, people complaining cause monochle cost was too high, people upset for WiS not delivered as expected.

The only difference is that CCP used that as an excuse to disengage from any EVE serious develompents to focus on Dust (in the meantime they got the agreement with Sony) on and to lay-off part of their employees.

All things that was going to happens anyway.

So, was mostly an inside company operation. Hell, CCP also market it in their slide-shows

Thought you might be interested in this

Here is a pic of me exploring a derelict station

Or OculusGÇÖ evolution will fall short, EVE players will once again demand that CCP focus on spaceships and nothing else, and weGÇÖll be back at Square Whatever The One WeGÇÖre On Right Now Is.

That's a quote from the article.

The people in the comments don't seem to want "Walking in Stations" either, and they seem to know eve so probably are/were players.

The Catch-22 is it's hard to introduce actual game mechanics before we even have a place we can interact with other people.

I dunno about you. But I would like something large enough so they don't have to come back to it for a while.

So, never then? There will always be issues that need improvement, and things that need fixing. Should CCP halt all new content indefinitely until the game reaches some impossible ideal of perfection? If that's the design philosophy you want to encourage, you will never see another new feature in this game, ever.

Developing new features while iterating and improving existing features in parallel is the best way for a live MMO to go. WIS just needs to be one of those features getting some iteration.

Congrats on "proving" a nonresponsive, and thereby irrelevant, point.

Getting more new models for clothes would go along with proving that the AUR model can have a place in EVE, and that vanity items can fund their own development.

You think current EvE style is wacky? Does no one remember what the old avatars looked liked?... there is nothing 'wacky' about 99.9% of our current wardrobe.
It's just vaguely futuristic jackets, boots and friggin t-shirts.
Current eve clothes are way too conventional already as it is... We need some proper spacey designs. >:P

Want to see someone completely upstage CCP's beloved character creator?

BOOM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TP4L1vHfpk

As CCP leaves these projects under-maintained, newer, better studios just roll on over every accomplishment they've made.

Well that's sexist.

It's already there. Dock up and enjoy walking around (very slowly) in the station!

The sov system is actually broken. Unless your characters' legs no longer propel you around your captain's quarters WiS is working.

I guess now is a good time to take a break. Average active player numbers are almost the lowest they have been in two years and still falling.

As for hoping the guys from WoD team will move over to Eve and then work on WiS. Don't even think about it, they laid off all 56 of them.

Looks to me like CCP isn't in a very good state frankly.

I've been seeing a lot of sad roleplayers and WiS fetishists opening threads in GD and they all end up getting locked so I'm bumping this thread to remind everybody that this is the only approved ghetto for all your WiS badposting.

But he is more connected to reality, with less wishfull thinking.

Null is getting buffed and iterated on while WiS or anything related to it...
... well... not so much. Sov... well... that's a dead horse.

The smartest thing for CCP is to wait until the issue has resolved itself,8
which will happen all by itself. The solution to the sov problem comes
shen the CFC owns all of nullsec and any opposition can and will be crushed.

That's the best time when CCP can make changes,
with NewSpace and player built stargates in mind.

I know my post sounds like I am opposing you, but that's not my intention.
I am merely trying to tell you that his game is actually getting worked on,
with a chance of success. WiS otoh.... nope. None. Null. Nada. Gar nichts.

+2

There is much less problems to fix today compared to 2011. The game is in great shape, and this new industry expansion looks very promising.

The layoffs were due to CCP ignoring Eve for two years while they tried to cater to the dance emotes and wizard pants crowd which resulted in the summer of rage and a massive drop in subscription numbers.

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About all anyone can say definitively is that the loss of subs and a big loan coming due caused the layoffs immediately post-Incarna.

If you can show that the Summer of Rage (SORGäó) that occurred beforehand was solely caused by the greed memo, please link the source of official CCP-released information you used to determine that. Maybe the memo is what did it for you, but to claim that it alone is what caused the riots, you are going to need some hard evidence.

Perhaps a better argument would be that the greed memo was the last straw for a lot of players. Even so, it was only a part of a perfect storm of failure.

Again, that's not an official CCP source, it does not in fact state the riots were cause solely by the memo, just as the first article you linked did not. If anything that article also states what I said again, i.e. there were many causes.

FTA



I don't see the memo mentioned at all in that paragraph or the ones that follow it, and the author seems to think something else was at the heart of things.

Care to try again? This time using a CCP source and not a 3rd party article that says what I already told you?

CCP acknowledges that the reaction following the leaked internal communication could have been handled better. Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so.

That's the author's opinion (who does not work for CCP), and it only states it sent players into a frenzy. No where does it state the memo was solely responsible for the riots. When the author does try to declare a "source of the problem, he does not mention the memo at all, as I already pasted here.



I was there too. In fact I've been here for probably just about every threadnaught and player upheaval that has ever happened since before T20. I also read all the articles at that time and CCP's dev blogs and attempts at damage control and Hillmar's infamous letter. All that is irrelevant.

I'm not saying the memo was not involved, but you said it was the reason the riots happened. It wasn't. It may have been the last straw, but it was not the sole cause, and you still have yet to prove that.

Except that's still not what it says. Is English not your first language perhaps?

I dunno. Say what you want about Himar's past mistakes. But it's worth mentioning that he is also somewhat responsible for EVE lasting as long as it has.

Of course, if he were to open the door he might ensure it lasts another 10

What are you talking about?

That was uncalled for.

Did you miss the part where they fired everyone earlier this month?

Same people who were working on the technology for WiS if I recall correctly?

You know, you really just described WIS.

Don't care.

If they put it on PC the integrity of the games legitimacy becomes compromised. There will be hackers and I will not play it.

It's a F2P game. A hacker risks literally nothing when he decides to be a douche. It would be pure chaos.

I like keyboard and mouse, and I prefer the power of my PC. But not enough to tolerate hackers in a game with more meaning attached to it than a round of counter-strike or battlefield where at the very least decent servers are capable of self-policing.

If you've seen how slow CCP's customer service is for Dust 514, you would know they haven't a chance in hell of keeping up the rampant amount of hacking that will take place.

Prematurely claiming victory is a sign of an inflated ego.

No where is mentioned that this is about WiS,
or that *we* can use *our chars* for this.

We know nothing yet.

Going back on topic...

Hilmar said that there will be more info 'next year' on WiS at last year's EVE keynote (or was it CCP Presents?). I do hope he follows through on this tomorrow.

Few new clothes from art panel will be making it into the game, cool. Not a big thing like you would want but still nice.

Meh, no new news regarding this. Its increasingly looking like Star Citizen will get more of my business.

Yeah... if you actually think that that will ever happen, I've got a bridge to sell you in the Nevada desert. I don't buy into that. Shiny trailer... not actually going to happen. CCP will see something shiny and wander off as they usually do.

It's too bad you people can't discuss this without resorting to personal insults which just causes ISD to butcher the threads.

The whole Art & Graphics Panel from FanFest is great. For the bit relevant to this thread, skip to 19:30 in the video. That's the more interesting of two reveals about avatar customization.

What I've gleaned from FanFest so far regarding avatars generally:

1) Thanks to the Guristas, pods will no longer be necessary. Valkyrie clones don't need them. Furthermore, because CCP wants the same character to be able to switch between games, it will soon be possible for your character to jump across clone types, not just clones. Dersen could suit up and go on a Legion battlefield, then suit up again and hop in a fighter, then land back in his Ishtar.

We'll presumably still jack right into the ship's computers to keep our edge as commanders, and we'll likely get escape pods, but the rest will no longer be necessary. The pilot in the Odyssey trailer is the capsuleer of the future.

I'm not saying "screw the lore," I'm saying that they're setting the lore up to explain a number of different options for clones that they're currently either working toward or looking at.

Who knows where they'll end up going? But the Valkyrie tech opens up some interesting options. And, of course, capsuleer tech can also be improved.

At bare minimum they should at least remove Dev posts on this thread so they aren't dug up for quoting as if this is all still happening. They remove Dev blog announcements when they become contradictory after a change, so too threads like this should be cleaned up if not locked out.